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	<title>Comments on: The history of Mozilla newsgroups</title>
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	<description>I still dream of Organon</description>
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		<title>By: td</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>td</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them rant,</description>
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		<title>By: Sebhelyesfarku</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebhelyesfarku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Mozilla newsgroups should be interleaved with porn newsgroups, in this way a lot of people would hear about the project accidentaly and switch to Mozilla from IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Mozilla newsgroups should be interleaved with porn newsgroups, in this way a lot of people would hear about the project accidentaly and switch to Mozilla from IE.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>DJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7224&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Update&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7224" rel="nofollow">Update</a></p>
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		<title>By: splib_Km-mode</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>splib_Km-mode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a solution to lack of ngs separate from dev groups. if hip/h1p/hh.11.pp/h0pcriminey or alt.support.flame.fart or whatever empty junk group can get his/her ng&#039;s listed in usenet, mozilla should be able to get a few USABLE ngs listed. 

try:
alt.fan.firefox
alt.fan.seamonkey (since moz-org recently &quot;released&quot; self of responsiblity for SM, so let the sm &#039;council&#039; create the usenet ng)
alt.fan.tbird
alt.fan.moz-xpi or alt.fan.moz-extensions
alt.fan.moz-theme


or even better, omit the  .fan
eg, 
alt.firefox
alt.gecko-suite
alt.thunderbird
alt.moz-theme
alt.moz-privacy

maybe comp.firefox is better? really doesn&#039;t matter as much as fixing the current silly situation. 

Q for comparison: how ever did alt.fan.mozilla come about? Is the process that a.f.m used defunct only years later?

[I intend to copy gist of (my) comment to a.f.m, including link to your essay/blog-entry]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a solution to lack of ngs separate from dev groups. if hip/h1p/hh.11.pp/h0pcriminey or alt.support.flame.fart or whatever empty junk group can get his/her ng&#8217;s listed in usenet, mozilla should be able to get a few USABLE ngs listed. </p>
<p>try:<br />
alt.fan.firefox<br />
alt.fan.seamonkey (since moz-org recently &#8220;released&#8221; self of responsiblity for SM, so let the sm &#8216;council&#8217; create the usenet ng)<br />
alt.fan.tbird<br />
alt.fan.moz-xpi or alt.fan.moz-extensions<br />
alt.fan.moz-theme</p>
<p>or even better, omit the  .fan<br />
eg,<br />
alt.firefox<br />
alt.gecko-suite<br />
alt.thunderbird<br />
alt.moz-theme<br />
alt.moz-privacy</p>
<p>maybe comp.firefox is better? really doesn&#8217;t matter as much as fixing the current silly situation. </p>
<p>Q for comparison: how ever did alt.fan.mozilla come about? Is the process that a.f.m used defunct only years later?</p>
<p>[I intend to copy gist of (my) comment to a.f.m, including link to your essay/blog-entry]</p>
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		<title>By: splib_ kmeleon-mode</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>splib_ kmeleon-mode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, a &quot;permalink&quot; to this essay of yours (regarding secnews mess) should be in the rotating faq-sigs of secnews &#039;champs&#039;. It shhould reduce the back-rants/back-flames that are just repeated annoyances (including, annoying to the guys trying to help).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, a &#8220;permalink&#8221; to this essay of yours (regarding secnews mess) should be in the rotating faq-sigs of secnews &#8216;champs&#8217;. It shhould reduce the back-rants/back-flames that are just repeated annoyances (including, annoying to the guys trying to help).</p>
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		<title>By: splib_ kmeleon-mode</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>splib_ kmeleon-mode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;face&quot; said &quot;Am I arrogant? Why yes I am.&quot;

i guess meant in context of misleading aspects of the ng mess? perhaps a joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;face&#8221; said &#8220;Am I arrogant? Why yes I am.&#8221;</p>
<p>i guess meant in context of misleading aspects of the ng mess? perhaps a joke?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ilias</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Ilias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FACE, what&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FACE, what&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: FACE</title>
		<link>http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/04/the-history-of-mozilla-newsgroups/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>FACE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an early morning, I read your commentary on the history of the mozilla (netscape)SSL server and newsgroups and usenet propagation of the developer groups.
Like I said somewhere else, a mission can start out with lofty goals and end up very different than those goals. This appears to be the case with the mozilla.public groups.

Several weeks ago, I was presented with a rant on one of the mozilla.public groups that referred to me as one of &quot;you developer types&quot;.  That at least brought me a smile -- because in another life I am used to such and see it for what it is -- someone who his afraid of the knowledge of others.  So the developer groups have become something much different than intended -- and I am not a developer nor do I have any intimate knowledge of the Mozilla products.  But I sometimes must seem quite cavalier and maybe derisive as well.  Why is that?

Probably because -- though i have purposely avoided the technical aspects of &#039;the net&#039;, I have a lot of concept regarding &quot;electronic data processing&quot; (there&#039;s a term i doubt you hear too much).

Judging from your photo on the previous page, about the time you were born -- late sixties maybe --i was plugging breadboards on IBM business machines.  I had a decade break from DP, then blew into DP as a Systems Analyst for several years, thence into the job of Systems Programmer in the last half of the eighties and early nineties.  I studiously avoided PC&#039;s, which were just coming into importance in order not to sully my VM/CICS/VSE syntactical knowledge.  But when i was &quot;freed&quot; i got a 386 and found that a file was still a file, an application was still an application, a system a system -- though it was ASCII instead of EBCDIC.  And on a light note, I kept truckin&#039;on a much lower note.

Am I arrogant?  Why yes I am.

I am not unused to the user community though -- and users to me range form the totally clueless to programmers.

To me, it&#039;s all about concept, then the details fall into place a lot more easily.

BTW, if your text below says &quot;publish your comment&quot;, it looks like you need to widen the table - or box - or whatever it&#039;s called. :-)

FACE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an early morning, I read your commentary on the history of the mozilla (netscape)SSL server and newsgroups and usenet propagation of the developer groups.<br />
Like I said somewhere else, a mission can start out with lofty goals and end up very different than those goals. This appears to be the case with the mozilla.public groups.</p>
<p>Several weeks ago, I was presented with a rant on one of the mozilla.public groups that referred to me as one of &#8220;you developer types&#8221;.  That at least brought me a smile &#8212; because in another life I am used to such and see it for what it is &#8212; someone who his afraid of the knowledge of others.  So the developer groups have become something much different than intended &#8212; and I am not a developer nor do I have any intimate knowledge of the Mozilla products.  But I sometimes must seem quite cavalier and maybe derisive as well.  Why is that?</p>
<p>Probably because &#8212; though i have purposely avoided the technical aspects of &#8216;the net&#8217;, I have a lot of concept regarding &#8220;electronic data processing&#8221; (there&#8217;s a term i doubt you hear too much).</p>
<p>Judging from your photo on the previous page, about the time you were born &#8212; late sixties maybe &#8211;i was plugging breadboards on IBM business machines.  I had a decade break from DP, then blew into DP as a Systems Analyst for several years, thence into the job of Systems Programmer in the last half of the eighties and early nineties.  I studiously avoided PC&#8217;s, which were just coming into importance in order not to sully my VM/CICS/VSE syntactical knowledge.  But when i was &#8220;freed&#8221; i got a 386 and found that a file was still a file, an application was still an application, a system a system &#8212; though it was ASCII instead of EBCDIC.  And on a light note, I kept truckin&#8217;on a much lower note.</p>
<p>Am I arrogant?  Why yes I am.</p>
<p>I am not unused to the user community though &#8212; and users to me range form the totally clueless to programmers.</p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s all about concept, then the details fall into place a lot more easily.</p>
<p>BTW, if your text below says &#8220;publish your comment&#8221;, it looks like you need to widen the table &#8211; or box &#8211; or whatever it&#8217;s called. <img src='http://ilias.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>FACE</p>
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